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Postby Karazicu » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:16 pm

I sort of feel like that we're out of cliches to mention and talk about in this thread, like we've basically covered every cliche that can be found on an NS nation. I think that's a reason that we've deviated away from actual cliches about what nations do with theirselves.
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Postby Aionios Rhomania » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:19 pm

Karazicu wrote:I sort of feel like that we're out of cliches to mention and talk about in this thread, like we've basically covered every cliche that can be found on an NS nation. I think that's a reason that we've deviated away from actual cliches about what nations do with theirselves.

Well it's been nearly 500 pages, we can go over some again that haven't been covered in ages.

It's just that as I recall the Mods don't want chat threads, still remember being a part of one years ago that was fun but it was a different time.

Just like we used to have tourism threads and those got axed too....
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Postby Gandoor » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:21 pm

I think the mods know this thread is basically the F7 chat thread but I don't think they care too much tbh.

Cause I think it's expected that discussions about NS clichés or whatever will lead to discussions about them or just general discussions about the forum and community as a whole.
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Postby Karazicu » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:24 pm

Aionios Rhomania wrote:
Karazicu wrote:I sort of feel like that we're out of cliches to mention and talk about in this thread, like we've basically covered every cliche that can be found on an NS nation. I think that's a reason that we've deviated away from actual cliches about what nations do with theirselves.

Well it's been nearly 500 pages, we can go over some again that haven't been covered in ages.

It's just that as I recall the Mods don't want chat threads, still remember being a part of one years ago that was fun but it was a different time.

Just like we used to have tourism threads and those got axed too....

Threads like these should be halal to moderation standards around here, I believe that the thing you may be thinking about is the C/CLT threads like the Ram's Head Saloon. Those threads in particular are forbidden because a bunch of mates couldn't help but use those threads for erotic RP and all that bullshittery. I don't think that this thread would fall under that category, given that this is more or less for discussion on a more specific topic rather than doing psuedo-RP and generally just talking to each other about whatever.
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Postby Aionios Rhomania » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:29 pm

Karazicu wrote:-snip-


People legit tried that on a public forum?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I have any idea, why don't we all talk about cliches that are usually tied to summer posters, not to disparage them specifically, but more the cliches they fall into or surrounding them

Seems topical, and NS has been around for years so maybe older users noticed a difference?

I've been here since before 2013, but I have poor memory so I can barely remember the hi jinks each summer.
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Postby Gandoor » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:52 pm

Aionios Rhomania wrote:
Karazicu wrote:-snip-


People legit tried that on a public forum?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Wasn't just on the public forum, a lot of it was being done in TGs too IIRC.

Some of it involved users who were literally underage btw. Good riddance to the ones who did that shit.
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Postby Aionios Rhomania » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:58 pm

Gandoor wrote:
Aionios Rhomania wrote:
People legit tried that on a public forum?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Wasn't just on the public forum, a lot of it was being done in TGs too IIRC.

Some of it involved users who were literally underage btw. Good riddance to the ones who did that shit.

I need some closure, was one of the popular in TET?
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Postby Gandoor » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:00 pm

Aionios Rhomania wrote:
Gandoor wrote:Wasn't just on the public forum, a lot of it was being done in TGs too IIRC.

Some of it involved users who were literally underage btw. Good riddance to the ones who did that shit.

I need some closure, was one of the popular in TET?

No.

This was all in F7 (and was actually the second time it's happened, which is honestly why any attempts to unban Chill/Chat Location Threads will never work out. This community has already shown twice it can't be trusted with these threads, why would they give y'all a third chance?)
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Postby Meadowfields » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:01 pm

Aionios Rhomania wrote:
Karazicu wrote:-snip-


People legit tried that on a public forum?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I have any idea, why don't we all talk about cliches that are usually tied to summer posters, not to disparage them specifically, but more the cliches they fall into or surrounding them

Seems topical, and NS has been around for years so maybe older users noticed a difference?

I've been here since before 2013, but I have poor memory so I can barely remember the hi jinks each summer.
Gandoor wrote:
Aionios Rhomania wrote:
People legit tried that on a public forum?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Wasn't just on the public forum, a lot of it was being done in TGs too IIRC.

Some of it involved users who were literally underage btw. Good riddance to the ones who did that shit.

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Postby Aionios Rhomania » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:04 pm

Gandoor wrote:
Aionios Rhomania wrote:I need some closure, was one of the popular in TET?

No.

This was all in F7 (and was actually the second time it's happened, which is honestly why any attempts to unban Chill/Chat Location Threads will never work out. This community has already shown twice it can't be trusted with these threads, why would they give y'all a third chance?)

Ah, it was an F7 thing.

Oh yeah, I know well that you can't trust communities to self police, seen that nonsense happen on another site where the bad behavior was just as a creepy.

It's a legit concern for any moderation forum really.
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Postby Frisemark » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:11 pm

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Red Lake Circle wrote:It's why I butted out of the Matter of Pride thread for the most part; didn't think I'd be getting anywhere with a nation called "The Proud Transphobe"

See this is another reason why I don't post in NSG anymore.

Moderators allow homophobes and transphobes to run rampant on the boards and yet if I (or anyone else here who is LGBT+) tells them to fuck off, we'll be the ones to get in trouble.

Yeah sure you can argue 'well that's rude' but why should we have to nice or polite to bigots who wish we didn't exist? That goes for all types of bigotry, y'know? LGBTphobes, racists, sexists, etc.


Exactly.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of acceptance. You can say whatever bigoted shit you want, just expect full consequences from everyone who doesn't agree with your hateful views.
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Postby Gandoor » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:12 pm

Meadowfields wrote:
Aionios Rhomania wrote:
People legit tried that on a public forum?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I have any idea, why don't we all talk about cliches that are usually tied to summer posters, not to disparage them specifically, but more the cliches they fall into or surrounding them

Seems topical, and NS has been around for years so maybe older users noticed a difference?

I've been here since before 2013, but I have poor memory so I can barely remember the hi jinks each summer.
Gandoor wrote:Wasn't just on the public forum, a lot of it was being done in TGs too IIRC.

Some of it involved users who were literally underage btw. Good riddance to the ones who did that shit.

April Annihilation/May Massacre.

Yes, I was there when it happened.

I saw it happen.

All the threads getting locked.
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Postby Gonswanza » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:18 pm

Frisemark wrote:
Gandoor wrote:See this is another reason why I don't post in NSG anymore.

Moderators allow homophobes and transphobes to run rampant on the boards and yet if I (or anyone else here who is LGBT+) tells them to fuck off, we'll be the ones to get in trouble.

Yeah sure you can argue 'well that's rude' but why should we have to nice or polite to bigots who wish we didn't exist? That goes for all types of bigotry, y'know? LGBTphobes, racists, sexists, etc.


Exactly.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of acceptance. You can say whatever bigoted shit you want, just expect full consequences from everyone who doesn't agree with your hateful views.

That reminds me, here's a fun thing that managed to bait out a few transphobes, hilariously. It's clearly bait, but it drew them out anyways... Well, save for ZN who is just trying to bait in response to the bait despite falling for the initial bait and failing to lay bait in response. But eh, that's almost expected of him.

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Postby Dayganistan » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:26 pm

Gonswanza wrote:That reminds me, here's a fun thing that managed to bait out a few transphobes, hilariously. It's clearly bait, but it drew them out anyways... Well, save for ZN who is just trying to bait in response to the bait despite falling for the initial bait and failing to lay bait in response. But eh, that's almost expected of him.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=519874

I'd hardly call an RP thread bait. I also wouldn't call people transphobes based on their IC responses either. Not everyone RPs according to their IRL views.
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He he it’s true

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Postby Gothian Crimea » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:37 pm

Frisemark wrote:
Gandoor wrote:See this is another reason why I don't post in NSG anymore.

Moderators allow homophobes and transphobes to run rampant on the boards and yet if I (or anyone else here who is LGBT+) tells them to fuck off, we'll be the ones to get in trouble.

Yeah sure you can argue 'well that's rude' but why should we have to nice or polite to bigots who wish we didn't exist? That goes for all types of bigotry, y'know? LGBTphobes, racists, sexists, etc.


Exactly.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of acceptance. You can say whatever bigoted shit you want, just expect full consequences from everyone who doesn't agree with your hateful views.

NS doesn't have Free Speech anyway(pretty sure that is an official policy they have), mods are just working inside the Flaming rules. Flaming is what I see warned for by far the most.
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And that’s why this is gonna get tooien down.

Postby Nominicia » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:56 pm

Gothian Crimea wrote:
Frisemark wrote:
Exactly.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of acceptance. You can say whatever bigoted shit you want, just expect full consequences from everyone who doesn't agree with your hateful views.

NS doesn't have Free Speech anyway(pretty sure that is an official policy they have), mods are just working inside the Flaming rules. Flaming is what I see warned for by far the most.

Saying flaming NS rules is probs gonna get that took down.

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Postby Karazicu » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:59 pm

Nominicia wrote:Saying flaming NS rules is probs gonna get that took down.

...what? I can't understand you through this grammar.
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Postby Meadowfields » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:59 pm

Nominicia wrote:
Gothian Crimea wrote:NS doesn't have Free Speech anyway(pretty sure that is an official policy they have), mods are just working inside the Flaming rules. Flaming is what I see warned for by far the most.

Saying flaming NS rules is probs gonna get that took down.

Uhh...it's literally mentioned in 80% of the reports on Moderation, why would it be took down?
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:39 pm

Karazicu wrote:
Nominicia wrote:Saying flaming NS rules is probs gonna get that took down.

...what? I can't understand you through this grammar.


Closest I can come is that they think merely saying the word 'flaming' is something along the same lines of trollnaming... but I agree, the sentence is almost impossible to understand.

Plus, if my hypothesis is correct, the point would be incorrect. Simply talking about the act of flaming is not against the rules.
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Postby Gandoor » Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:09 pm

FLAME ON.

*catches fire and fucking burns to death*
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Postby Gothian Crimea » Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:10 pm

Gandoor wrote:FLAME ON.

*catches fire and fucking burns to death*

Warned for flaming, and for dying on NS property.
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Postby Gothian Crimea » Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:22 pm

1
Huge Empire(i'm especislly talking space ones), forgetting that that means they have huge border and immense supply routes, and instead having all their super death ship 9000s attack in everywar.
Which brings me to two.
2
The X-deathinator 2000, you know what I'm talking about, the super death weapon(s) that nations says kills your nation/army instantly, and say is the best thing ever. I mostly see them here, but I'm only active here and NandIR. I think this place actually spawned a cycle of a sort of arms race, as I've seen multiple nations basically have weapons just for F-7, or made because of what they saw here.
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Postby Gonswanza » Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:24 pm

Gothian Crimea wrote:1
Huge Empire(i'm especislly talking space ones), forgetting that that means they have huge border and immense supply routes, and instead having all their super death ship 9000s attack in everywar.
Which brings me to two.
2
The X-deathinator 2000, you know what I'm talking about, the super death weapon(s) that nations says kills your nation/army instantly, and say is the best thing ever. I mostly see them here, but I'm only active here and NandIR. I think this place actually spawned a cycle of a sort of arms race, as I've seen multiple nations basically have weapons just for F-7, or made because of what they saw here.

Tbh I just sorta grab and take from reality, the Cold War made some wild shit lmfao.
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Postby Aionios Rhomania » Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:26 pm

Gothian Crimea wrote:1
Huge Empire(i'm especislly talking space ones), forgetting that that means they have huge border and immense supply routes, and instead having all their super death ship 9000s attack in everywar.
Which brings me to two.
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The X-deathinator 2000, you know what I'm talking about, the super death weapon(s) that nations says kills your nation/army instantly, and say is the best thing ever. I mostly see them here, but I'm only active here and NandIR. I think this place actually spawned a cycle of a sort of arms race, as I've seen multiple nations basically have weapons just for F-7, or made because of what they saw here.

Since I'm busy working on my factbook and don't wanna switch to my FT puppet...

1. Man, I feel like thats all way too common, and it kinda always happens with FFT ones too.

Like oh wow, you have a billion universes under your rule, and yet you have like no concept of the logistics and the consequences of everything you're talking about.

2. Glad I'm not the only one to notice this, F-7 arms races are the silliest arms races.
Factbook - Empire of the Romans ♦ Year: 1475 ♦ Leader: Basileús Autokrátōr Kōnstantînos Dragásēs Palaiológos ♦ Government: Bureaucratic Republican Absolute Monarchy
Canon Name: Rhōmāníā (Land of the Romans) ♦ Venetia delenda est

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